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Northern Waters Presbytery brings you 'First Thirds Ministry Events and Schedules'. First third ministry is a term used in describing the collection of ministry fields that serve people between the ages of 0 to 30 – roughly the first third of life.

Following the link for lots of youth, young adult and leaders events and resources.


The next meeting of Northern Waters Presbytery will be held Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at St. Paul's United Church, Midland.

RSVP – Please contact the Presbytery Office, to acknowledge your intent to attend as well as to record your regrets.

This notification becomes part of the official record of the meeting.

Meal: Please indicate your need for a meal and any dietary restrictions you have. **DEADLINE: June 18th. Meals will not be provided for those who do not register by the published deadline. (140610 Executive)

NB. The Presbytery office responds to all meeting responses. If you do not receive this following your submission, please follow up. Please remember to indicate in your response your need for a meal. (Many forget this step)

The detailed agenda and supporting information will be found next week at: www.torontoconference.ca/northernwaters/

St. Paul's United Church, Midland
308 King Street
Midland, ON L4R 3M6

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New Presbyters: If you are a new Presbyter or need to update your personal information, please complete the form found at: here.

Simple Agenda:
Theme: Celebration / TRC

9:30 a.m. Registration / Book Room
9:55 a.m. Gathering Music – Sing Song
10:00 a.m. Welcome from Chair
Welcome from Midland
Guests welcome and introductions
Constitute the Court (noting quorum)
Honouring the land
10:10 a.m. Opening Worship – Communion
10:30 a.m. Community Building / Business:
i. Opening Motions
a. Agenda
b. Attendance / Regrets
c. Corresponding Privilege
d. Approve Minutes of last Presbytery Meeting
e. Receive minutes of Executive and Commissions
f. Empowering Executive
ii. C. Quorum-Minimum Number of Members Present
iii. Commission Reports
a. Governance Commission – Rev. Kent Ward
a. PTCC grant requests
b. Congregational Life Commission – Rev. Steve Atkinson
c. Education & Students Commission – Rev. Jeff Werner
d. Program Commission – Joan Revie
e. Executive
a. Nominations / Elections
b. Presentation to Chaplains
c. Presentation and request of Conference to provide leadership to NWP

11:20 a.m. Educational Component – Techie Tip
11:35 a.m. Educational Component – Tips for Presbyters
11:50 a.m. Announcements
12:00 p.m. Lunch ($10)
1:00 p.m. Gathering
1:10 p.m. Recognition / Celebration / Covenant with new presbyters
1:20 p.m. Educational Component – TRC: Telling the Story – Rev. Cathy Hird
1:50 p.m. Community Building: Stories of Our Lives
TRC Ottawa Witnesses, Youth Experience, Adult
2:15 p.m. Educational Component:
TRC – How do we live in truth and reconciliation?
Peace and Justice: Wayne Van Dyke presentation
2:25 p.m. Courtesies and Closing Announcements
2:30 p.m. Closing Worship
2:45 p.m. Adjournment and safe home

For more information please download the following:

Detailed Agenda Download in Adobe Acrobat Reader
Detailed Agenda Download in Microsoft Word
Appendix A Download in Adobe Acrobat Reader
Appendix B Download in Adobe Acrobat Reader
Appendix C Download in Adobe Acrobat Reader

Charting Our Future: Spirit Led, Hope Filled.

A consultation for all interested members of the Northern Waters Presbytery to assist the Congregational Life Commission in addressing three critical questions to guide its work through the next few years.

When: Saturday September 12, 2015 – 9:30 a.m. to 3:30 p.m.

Where: St. John's United Church, Alliston

Who: Interested clergy and representatives of all LMU's of the Presbytery

Cost: Nothing. Travel will be reimbursed at the approved rate (.41/km) and the lunch meal is complimentary.

Please RSVP to Louise

Three Questions for Exploration:

1) What policy should the Presbytery have, if any, in relation to part time ministry appointments?

In reviewing congregational statistics within the Presbytery it seems likely that a large percentage of congregations will eventually be moving to part time ministries through the next few years. The implications of part time ministry are under extensive review throughout North America. Some believe that it is inevitable that ministry will become a part time occupation and that "tent-maker" ministries are just a return to the more biblical style of ministry. Others note that part-time ministry has significant negative implications for the church: making it increasingly difficult to attract young people into a life-time ministry vocation; challenging expectations of a highly educated clergy (how do you pay for an M.Div. with only part time work?); limiting capacity of clergy to participate in the larger church and in the wider community (part time work is generally focused on the 'basics' of pastoral ministry); and that part-time ministry is a profoundly unfair employment practice for existing ministry personnel.

It is within the power of Presbytery (as some Presbyteries have done elsewhere in the church) to restrict the approval of part time ministries. The national church believes that the implication of part-time ministries varies across the church and therefore a national policy would not be justified. What policy should Northern Waters adopt, if any?

2) What criteria should the Northern Waters Presbytery adopt for a viable Community of Faith (Local Ministry Unit?)

Currently the criteria include a minimum of ten hours per week ministry appointment; payment of Presbytery and Conference assessments and participation in Presbytery and Conference. Examples exist of congregations that wish to continue without ministry appointment and the Comprehensive Review envisages new forms of congregational life that will likely include this as an option. Should the Presbytery close local ministry units who cannot meet the above criteria, if other forms of congregational life are possible (see the next question)? What criteria should the Presbytery have that determine the viability of a community of faith?

3) What alternative models of communities of faith should the Presbytery explore and encourage?

Depending on the choices made in the previous two questions, would the Presbytery benefit from identifying and supporting a variety of models of communities of faith for the future. Regional parishes are being explored across the church with mixed success. Some forms of larger parishes seem, however, the only clear option to the increasing number of part-time ministries. Increasing use of technology is likely part of the future. Might the Presbytery develop the technical capacity for broadcast of a weekly sermon that could be incorporated into worship by communities of faith without ministry personnel? What other options should the Presbytery explore?

Finally, a fourth question will be considered at the close of the meeting.

4) What implications do the results of this consultation suggest for the Comprehensive Review proposal?

Proposed Agenda:

9:30 a.m. Coffee, snacks
10:00 a.m. Opening Worship
10:15 a.m. A look at Presbytery (LMU) statistics
10:30 a.m. Pick Up Break
10:45 a.m. Question One
12:00 p.m. Lunch
12:45 p.m. Question Two
2:00 p.m. Question Three
3:00 p.m. Implications for Comprehensive Review and future directions for Presbytery
3:30 p.m. Adjourn

Future Meeting Dates 2015-2016

June 23, 2015: St. Paul's United Church, Midland
September 19, 2015: Annesley United Church, Markdale
November 17, 2015: TBA
April 2, 2016: TBA
June 21, 2016: TBA

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